Ccp cant you see this logic is flawed?? Some csm dudes even tried to say so. Wtf is the poijt of them is you dont listen?? This vhange and gonna increase RETENTION 1% IF ANYTJING GONNA MAKE OLDVETS QUIT MORE.

If you really believe in that line of reasoning, then you might as well call for the total removal of any and all pvp from the game. The ratio of people who don't want pvp, as opposed to those who do, is three to one. Removing pvp, and not just some underhanded methods of doing pvp, but all of it, would make a whole lot of players, including new players, happy.

Right. We should wait until CCP does that, and then cry about it. This would be a good strategy for making sure that only good changes get implemented, and making sure that the game keeps the integrity and core promises that have allowed it to exist for over a decade.

The part in which you befriend some rich clown, and then pop his shiny CNR, or freighter full of his belongings after convincing him to move a few systems over. Or the good old mining op bust. You know, the stuff that actually makes up the majority of awoxing activities, as opposed to the ridiculous bullcrap about little day-old babbys losing their basic-fitted Ventures to sociopath griefers blah blah (I've seriously yet to see a kill like that).

Only if the CEO-Alt has any standings at all, if all the alts standings are zero then the corp standings remain static; this is extremely well documented.

GǪ as nobody will be able to go on a safari as you can't shoot people in corp anymore.

This actualky makes me wonder if CCP considers reverse safaris and if
members can look up the state of friendly fire...

then again, as some one who's demonstrated repeatedly that they're clueless on any issue raised in this thread i'm not surprised that i'm having to explain this to you.

also, as far as i'm aware, repping an awoxer is the only situation where the logi don't inherit flags. i could be mistaken, but i'm not sure that i am.

Official source; unofficial source anybody that used to create and sell corps with highsec POS standings, myself included, who recommended a neutral standings CEO be put in place if the POS wasn't being erected within 7 days.

(2) Doesn't need to be done for the same reason as (1). In the 24 hours before the war goes live, it's entirely viable to take down some expensive structures, and add a bunch of hardeners and ECM batteries to the POS. No one is going to touch it then. A high-sec ****-star POS siege is like the least fun thing possible.

IMO, the moment you are wardecced, any "space" assets should be locked in place. Defend it or let it be killed...your choice.

What does that blatant piece of hyperbole have to do with anything?

Till you form a response fleet to kill the bastion enabled marauders...

If a CONCORD tax was proposed as a counterbalance to the increased safety afforded by this feature, we would be having a different discussion right now. Granted, we'd still be arguing against the proposal, but it would be different. However, we all know that no such thing is on the table, and that this is a flat removal.

This is probably why you can't understand what I'm posting. The 'motive' for awoxxing (or scamming or ganking etc) is irrelevant, what matters is what a player choses for himself, Space-Indiana Jones or whiney video game victim. And yes it's the exact same in real life, you can whine about every little perceived injustice or you can get on with life.

You can color me surprised if CCP does implement a tradeoff, but I have over 7 years of empirical evidence (this entire anti-pvp trend began when the Privateer nerf happened) to the contrary. There hasn't been give-and-take so far, so why would there be any now?

And then there are the people who are sick and tired of freaking activists, tired of the agitating, and just want to play the freaking game by the rules we all agreed to.

Seriously, don't go for this sort of angle. The "wait and see" approach amounts to stalling for time, and you know this.

Destroyers got buffed because they were useless as a ship class. Tier 3 battlecruisers were released as a new ship class with no expressly-stated intent to be ships used solely for pvp. Neither of those changes were created for the sole benefit of pvpers in mind; it just so happened that pvpers took advantage of these features.

That's not a buff. Oh, and when wardecs aren't completely optional, then it might make some difference.

You know, after it came out that CCP is giving a 24 hour cooldown to this toggleGǪ